The Qwer Old Fella's Marathon Method

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Location:

Tralee,Ireland

Member Since:

Oct 01, 2011

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

I've never worn compression socks.

Short-Term Running Goals:

To do a race.

Long-Term Running Goals:

1. Break the world record for the marathon in the 50+ age group, when I'm 50 in 2015.

2. Never wear compression socks.

 

Personal:

Married with two girls (6 and 10).

The Qwer Old Fella's Marathon Method is a four year experiment.

The first year (2012) was about getting back into running, staying off the smokes and booze, while sticking to a healthy eating plan and shedding mountains of lard. All boxes ticked.

Year two (2013 - age: 48) Injured Jan through March. Build back up and work on my 5k speed. Goal 15:45.

Year three (2014) will be about doing my first marathon in the spring. (Just for the experience and on a tough course - maybe Tralee; goal time, 2:30ish.) Then begins the prep work for Berlin 2015

Year four (2015) is all about breaking the world record for the marathon in the 50+ age group - it's only 2:19 :).

The above might sound nuts; it is, but then I'm nuts. Please do not copy any of the training I do: if you do, you are likely to end up running like me - not a good idea.

The idea is to have a laugh along the way. If I fail, I don't know what I'll do - my whole belief system will crumble and I suspect that this little rock might just stop spinning for a couple of seconds. Jakers, I better not fail for all our sakes. That's some burden, even for SuperBam.

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8:00 a.m. - 8 miles easy.

This morning, while doing my 8 miles in around an hour, I was thinking about why 2 recovery/maintenance runs a day of an hour is perfect. Most of the top Kenyans run twice a day for an hour on their recovery/maintenance days. But that doesn’t mean that I should. Many elite ‘Western’ runners run twice a day, but tend to do something like a 12/13 and a 6/8/10. Then I remembered an article I read by Frank Horwill outlining one of the most important reasons for doing 2x1hr and not 1.5hrs followed by something else. Cytochrome c.

So what’s this stuff? Cytochrome c  is a key compound found inside mitochondria and is imperative in aerobic energy production. Cytochorme c contains one atom of iron per mol and is a power-house of amino acids.  Here 's what Frank had to say:

In 1982, Gary Dudley, at the State University of New York at Syracuse, investigated the effect of intensity on mitochondrial production. His work was painstaking – rats were made to run five times a week for periods ranging from five minutes to ninety minutes per day, for eight weeks at training intensities which ranged from 40 per cent through 100 per cent V02 max. Dudley examined how different speeds and durations influenced different muscle fibres (fast twitch, aerobic fast twitch or intermediate and slow twitch), which no one had done before. His findings were as follows:

Training beyond about 60 minutes per workout was without benefit in terms in increasing cytochrome c. Moving from 30 minutes to 60 minutes per session did increase cytochrome c, but not increasing the workout from 60 to 90 minutes. This was true of all intensities studied by Dudley – and also with all three muscle fibre types. Mitochondrial development ceased after an hour.

Training for 10 minutes a day at 100 per cent of the V02 max (about 3K pace(ish)) tripled cytochorme c concentration.

Running for 27 minutes at 85 per cent V02 max (about 10 seconds per mile slower than 10k speed(ish)), only pushed up cytochrome c by 80 per cent.

Training at 60 to 90 minutes at 70 to 75 per cent V02 max (marathon speed(ish)), edged up cytochrome c by just 74 per centt.

In intermediate muscle cells (those which are roughly half way between fast twitch and slow twitch), a similar potency of intensity was recorded. Ten minutes of fast running per day boosted cytochrome c as much as 27 minutes daily at 85 per cent V02 max or 60 to 90 minutes at 70 to 75 per cent V02 max.

The best strategy for slow-twitch, cytochrome c enhancement was running for 60 minutes per outing at 70 to 75 per cent V02 max (around 80 to 84 per cent of maximal heart rate), which boosted cytochrome c by 40 per cent.

Cruising along for 27 minutes at 85 per cent V02 max produced a 28 per cent upturn as described above.

Fast running at 100 per cent V02 max (3K speed), lifted slow twitch cytochrome c by around 10 per cent, not a surprising low gain because slow twitch muscles are less heavily used than fast twitch cells during fast running. However, running at this speed represents, for 10 minutes work, 1 per cent improvement per minute of running compared to running at 85 per cent V02 max, which lifted cytochrome c in slow-twitch fibres by the same 1 per cent per minute rate for nearly three times the duration of work. And, further, 90 minutes of 70 to 75 per cent V02 max work improved the mitochondria by just two-thirds of a per cent per minute.

Yes, there are benefits to running for longer than an hour but the law of diminishing returns kicks in, especially on recovery/maintenance days.

5:30 p.m. 6 miles, including 8x8 sec's hill blasts. Felt sluggish before the sprints but during and then after the reps I felt much better.

 

 

Night Sleep Time: 0.00Nap Time: 0.00Total Sleep Time: 0.00Weight: 133.00
Comments
From Bret on Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 07:25:29 from 64.128.133.66

Good information on the hour-long runs. Interestingly though, Lydiard says one run of quality aerobic effort and a supplementary run of an easier effort is ideal even if the second run is only 15 mins or so as it is more for recovery/therapeutic purposes. Did they test the rats on this approach, I wonder?

I think sometimes about my early training sessions during this period where I would do just 3 or 4 miles in the morning, followed by the main workout later in the day. It certainly felt that the "jog" was beneficial just to get the body moving/blood flowing without really stressing anything.

From Bam on Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 08:10:31 from 213.191.248.47

I'd agree with you. When I was building up to the 100 mpw, I found that on my second run that I often flew - much faster than I'm running now.

I think the idea is more about how to best develop cytochrome c; there are many aspects that need developing.

Horwill isn't a fan of mileage - in fact, he had his runners only doing 35 min aerobic runs on recovery days. He coached Tim Hutchings and of course, the Coes utilised his multi-tier system, which if done properly and with more recovery than Horwill suggests, is awesome: it took me from 4:20 to sub 4:00 in the 1500m in 6 weeks off very limited 'base' training - I was 27 yrs younger then:)

From Rachelle on Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 16:10:30 from 67.199.182.207

Lots of good information here. Thanks so much for sharing!

From Tara on Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 16:30:38 from 75.169.137.17

Ooo, I liked this. A good reminder on the benefits of those seemingly pointless runs. It makes sense that variety is best. Recovery days to build up base and cytochrome c, with fast days to improve VO2 max and fast twitch muscles, among other things. Good read as I start building up mileage again. Forget the earlier post... I meant Thanks Bam:)

From Bam on Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 00:54:16 from 89.204.234.67

Rachelle and Tara - glad it's of some benefit. Good luck building up the mileage Tara.

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